The Meadows Pa Race 5

1609M

Prize Money: $8,026

Distance: 1609m
Track: Good
Weather: -
Surface: All Weather
Class: FM6000CLM

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Allambie (Fr1) 5211231311
Trainer: Justin Pirillo (Patrick Estate)
Driver: Dave Palone
Prize Money: $150,444
Win / Place: 11% / 38%

Track / Distance Specialist

Going for the Hat-Trick

8 yo Brown Mare

Sire: A ROCKNROLL DANCE (USA)

Dam: TWICE AGAIN FRANCO (NZ)

100

Rating

Stats

Career

139: 16-20-18

Distance

89: 9-13-11

Trk/Dst

14: 6-2-3

Track

14: 6-2-3

Season

10: 5-2-2

1st Up

6: 0-1-1

2nd Up

6: 0-3-1

3rd Up

6: 0-1-0

Metro

53: 2-8-7

Non-Metro

86: 14-12-11

Mobile

73: 9-10-8

All-Weather

139: 16-20-18

Best Mile

1:53.40

Comments

Eight-year-old mare is racing in fine form. Won her last two outings at this track both over 1609m. Last start won by 2.25 m as favourite (Fr4) at this track (1:53.40) beating Tobins Diva in FM6000CLM on March 5 at $1.90.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
1st of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Dave Palone	1:53.40	1:53.40	2.3m	$1.90f	6	FM6000CLM	$8,026	$4,013	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
1st of 8	27/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Dave Palone	1:54.30	1:54.30	3.0m	$4.30	7	FM6000CLM	$8,052	$4,026	1. Allambie 2. Filthy McNasty 3. Lyons Addiction
3rd of 8	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Dave Palone	1:54.00	1:54.00	11.3m	$1.90f	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$966	1. Ellasen 2. Dorothy's Legacy 3. Allambie
1st of 7	13/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Dave Palone	1:56.00	1:56.00	1.5m	$1.80f	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$4,026	1. Allambie 2. Ellasen 3. Filthy McNasty
3rd of 8	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr8	Aaron Merriman	1:55.00	1:55.00	18.8m	$5.80	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$966	1. Tobins Diva 2. Ellasen 3. Allambie
2nd of 8	30/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Brady Jenson	1:54.40	1:54.40	0.9m	$2.20f	6	SA6000FM	$9,355	$2,339	1. Kb'ssweetcaroline 2. Allambie 3. Filthy McNasty

Pootie Cat (Fr2) 2419365213
Trainer: Cory Kreiser ()
Driver: Ronnie Wrenn (Jnr)
Prize Money: $110,219
Win / Place: 15% / 44%

8 yo Brown Mare

Sire: RIGGINS

Dam: ODDS ON CASEY

Rating

Stats

Career

77: 12-12-10

Distance

77: 12-12-10

Trk/Dst

1: 0-0-1

Track

1: 0-0-1

Season

7: 1-1-2

1st Up

3: 0-0-1

2nd Up

3: 1-0-0

3rd Up

3: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

77: 12-12-10

All-Weather

77: 12-12-10

Best Mile

1:54.30

Comments

Last start solid effort when 3rd (Fr2) over 1609m at this track beaten 4 m by Allambie (1:53.40) in FM6000CLM on March 5 at $5.10. Two runs back won by 1.5 m as favourite (Fr7) at Northfield Park (1:58.00) beating Lazarus Girl in FMNW1500L4 on February 23 at $2.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
3rd of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr2	Ronnie Wrenn (Jnr)	1:53.40	1:53.40	3.8m	$5.10	10	FM6000CLM	$8,026	$963	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
1st of 8	23/2/25	Northfield Park	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Ronnie Wrenn (Jnr)	1:58.00	1:58.00	1.5m	$2.00f	8	FMNW1500L4	$8,052	$4,026	1. Pootie Cat 2. Lazarus Girl 3. Lydias Liberty
2nd of 9	15/2/25	Northfield Park	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Hunter Myers	1:58.40	1:58.40	14.3m	$1.90f	13	FMNW1500L4	$8,052	$2,013	1. Legend N Cress 2. Pootie Cat 3. Brooklyn Moonshine
5th of 9	2/2/25	Northfield Park	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Hunter Myers	1:56.10	1:56.10	14.3m	$5.90	8	FMNW2500L4	$10,467	$523	1. Rumored 2. Your Mom N Em 3. Java
6th of 9	25/1/25	Northfield Park	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Hunter Myers	1:59.00	1:59.00	15.8m	$3.60	8	FMNW2500L4	$10,484	-	1. Mainline Charmer 2. Modern Q 3. Live And Let Di
3rd of 9	17/1/25	Northfield Park	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Hunter Myers	1:57.40	1:57.40	7.5m	$14	12	FMNW2500L4	$10,484	$1,258	1. Princesa Alta 2. French Shaker 3. Pootie Cat

Lyons Addiction (Fr3) 2835664734
Trainer: Todd Keith ()
Driver: Jeremy Indof
Prize Money: $112,469
Win / Place: 15% / 49%

5 yo BLU/Roan Mare

Sire: ALL BETS OFF

Dam: JIMMY THE TERROR

Rating

Stats

Career

65: 10-12-10

Distance

65: 10-12-10

Trk/Dst

32: 4-2-5

Track

32: 4-2-5

Season

9: 0-0-2

1st Up

2: 0-1-1

2nd Up

2: 0-1-0

3rd Up

2: 0-1-1

Metro

32: 6-10-5

Non-Metro

33: 4-2-5

All-Weather

65: 10-12-10

Best Mile

1:54.20

Comments

Last start 4th (Fr6) over 1609m at this track, beaten 7 m by Allambie (1:53.40) in FM6000CLM on March 5 at $25.50. At the run before game effort when 3rd (Fr6) over 1609m at this track, beaten 4 m by Allambie (1:54.30) in FM6000CLM on February 27 at $37.60.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
4th of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Jeremy Indof	1:53.40	1:53.40	7.5m	$26	6	FM6000CLM	$8,026	$642	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
3rd of 8	27/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Jeremy Indof	1:54.30	1:54.30	3.8m	$38	7	FM6000CLM	$8,052	$966	1. Allambie 2. Filthy McNasty 3. Lyons Addiction
7th of 8	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Jeremy Indof	1:54.00	1:54.00	25.5m	$48	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	-	1. Ellasen 2. Dorothy's Legacy 3. Allambie
4th of 7	13/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Jeremy Indof	1:56.00	1:56.00	12.8m	$57	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$644	1. Allambie 2. Ellasen 3. Filthy McNasty
6th of 8	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Jeremy Indof	1:55.00	1:55.00	33.8m	$36	13	SA6000FM	$8,052	-	1. Tobins Diva 2. Ellasen 3. Allambie
6th of 8	24/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr8	Jeremy Indof	1:56.40	1:56.40	15.0m	$41	8	FM6000CLM	$9,355	-	1. Allambie 2. Kb'ssweetcaroline 3. Silver Apache

Dandy's Starlette (Fr4) 2197539768
Trainer: Luis Porfilio ()
Driver: Lucas Myers
Prize Money: $128,048
Win / Place: 13% / 37%

6 yo Bay Mare

Sire: WORLD OF ROCKNROLL (USA)

Dam: LOVE THIS PLACE

Rating

Stats

Career

81: 11-8-11

Distance

81: 11-8-11

Trk/Dst

76: 11-7-11

Track

76: 11-7-11

Season

3: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-0-1

2nd Up

3: 1-1-0

3rd Up

3: 1-0-0

Non-Metro

81: 11-8-11

All-Weather

81: 11-8-11

Best Mile

1:53.20

Comments

Didn't do much at the last run, 8th (Fr1) over 1609m at this track beaten 40 m by Ellasen (1:54.00) in SA6000FM on February 20 at $11.10. Before that 6th (Fr6) over 1609m at this track, beaten 65 m by Go Tell Murph (1:53.40) in SA8000FM on February 6 at $21.60.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
8th of 8	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Lucas Myers	1:54.00	1:54.00	38.3m	$11	14	SA6000FM	$8,052	-	1. Ellasen 2. Dorothy's Legacy 3. Allambie
6th of 7	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Lucas Myers	1:53.40	1:53.40	63.0m	$22	28	SA8000FM	$11,272	-	1. Go Tell Murph 2. True Seelster 3. Sea Storm
1st of 5	28/1/25	The Meadows	1609m			-	Brady Jenson	2:00.10	2:00.10	1.5m	$0.00	-	Trial	$0	-	1. Dandy's Starlette 2. My Blueberry Buck 3. Always B Royalty
3rd of 7	23/1/25	The Meadows	1609m			-	Luis Porfilio	1:56.30	1:56.30	38.25m	$0.00	-	Trial	$0	-	1. American Fling 2. Bold Spirit 3. Dandy's Starlette
7th of 7	9/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Brady Jenson	1:53.40	1:53.40	75.8m	$27	13	FM8000CLM	$13,710	-	1. Miss Cadet 2. Summer Lovin 3. Chickaboo
9th of 9	27/12/24	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr8	Brady Jenson	1:53.10	1:53.10	78.0m	$24	8	8000CLHC	$13,097	-	1. Ellasen 2. Chickaboo 3. Dorothy's Legacy

Bend The Knee (Fr5) 4299477567
Trainer: Gary Johnston ()
Driver: Brady Brown
Prize Money: $70,950
Win / Place: 6.58% / 36%

8 yo Bay Mare

Sire: WORLD OF ROCKNROLL (USA)

Dam: QUEEN OF ROYALTY

Rating

Stats

Career

76: 5-13-10

Distance

76: 5-13-10

Trk/Dst

48: 4-5-5

Track

48: 4-5-5

Season

8: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-1-0

2nd Up

3: 1-0-1

3rd Up

3: 0-1-0

Non-Metro

76: 5-13-10

All-Weather

76: 5-13-10

Best Mile

1:54.10

Comments

Meets Allambie again; when 40 metres seventh at this track over 1609m in a FM6000CLM race on February 27.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
7th of 8	27/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Brady Brown	1:54.30	1:54.30	41.3m	$60	8	FM6000CLM	$8,052	-	1. Allambie 2. Filthy McNasty 3. Lyons Addiction
6th of 9	19/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Shawn Johnston	1:53.20	1:53.20	26.3m	$74	6	FMNW2500L4	$11,272	-	1. Choozetocruise 2. Leave Her Wild 3. Stayingwiththewind
5th of 7	13/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr5	Hunter Myers	1:56.00	1:56.00	14.3m	$26	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$403	1. Allambie 2. Ellasen 3. Filthy McNasty
7th of 8	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Hunter Myers	1:55.00	1:55.00	37.5m	$44	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	-	1. Tobins Diva 2. Ellasen 3. Allambie
7th of 8	30/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Hunter Myers	1:54.40	1:54.40	22.5m	$51	7	SA6000FM	$9,355	-	1. Kb'ssweetcaroline 2. Allambie 3. Filthy McNasty
4th of 8	23/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr5	Hunter Myers	1:55.10	1:55.10	19.5m	$27	14	6000SA	$9,355	$748	1. Horsche 2. Born To Ramble 3. Mr Pink Pie

Tobins Diva (Fr6) 5511241582
Trainer: Johnny Yoder ()
Driver: Hunter Myers
Prize Money: $147,689
Win / Place: 21% / 48%

6 yo Brown Mare

Sire: VARADERO HANOVER

Dam: EGGS PANEDICT

Rating

Stats

Career

74: 16-13-7

Distance

74: 16-13-7

Trk/Dst

31: 10-6-3

Track

31: 10-6-3

Season

8: 3-2-0

1st Up

2: 0-0-1

2nd Up

2: 0-1-0

3rd Up

2: 1-0-0

Non-Metro

74: 16-13-7

All-Weather

74: 16-13-7

Best Mile

1:53.30

Comments

Two back was well beaten into eighth behind Undeterred at this track over 1609m in a FM8000CLHC on February 26 at $8.30. Then a handy effort when beaten by 2.25 m finishing second behind Allambie at this track over 1609m in a FM6000CLM on March 5 at $5.40.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
2nd of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Hunter Myers	1:53.40	1:53.40	2.3m	$5.40	7	FM6000CLM	$8,026	$2,006	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
8th of 8	26/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Dave Palone	1:54.10	1:54.10	33.8m	$8.30	6	FM8000CLHC	$12,882	-	1. Undeterred 2. Ellasen 3. Pembroke Ali
5th of 7	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Dave Palone	1:56.00	1:56.00	9.8m	$3.70	14	SA8000FM	$11,272	$564	1. Always B Mimi 2. Knives Out 3. Pembroke Ali
1st of 8	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Dave Palone	1:55.00	1:55.00	9.8m	$2.50f	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$4,026	1. Tobins Diva 2. Ellasen 3. Allambie
4th of 8	30/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr8	Dave Palone	1:54.40	1:54.40	6.0m	$7.00	14	SA6000FM	$9,355	$748	1. Kb'ssweetcaroline 2. Allambie 3. Filthy McNasty
2nd of 7	16/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Aaron Merriman	1:55.40	1:55.40	0.3m	$2.10f	7	FM6000CLM	$9,355	$2,339	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Kb'ssweetcaroline

Filthy McNasty (Fr7) 5776433426
Trainer: Shawn Johnston ()
Driver: Shawn Johnston
Prize Money: $111,090
Win / Place: 10% / 36%

6 yo Grey Mare

Sire: REAL DESIRE (USA)

Dam: PLATINUM ROCKS

Rating

Stats

Career

93: 10-14-10

Distance

93: 10-14-10

Trk/Dst

34: 4-5-2

Track

34: 4-5-2

Season

8: 0-1-2

1st Up

3: 1-1-1

2nd Up

3: 0-0-1

3rd Up

3: 0-1-1

Metro

14: 0-5-3

Non-Metro

79: 10-9-7

All-Weather

93: 10-14-10

Best Mile

1:53.30

Comments

Last start 6th (Fr5) over 1609m at this track, beaten 14 m by Allambie (1:53.40) in FM6000CLM on March 5 at $10.90. Two runs back 2nd (Fr5) over 1609m at this track, beaten 3 m by Allambie (1:54.30) in FM6000CLM on February 27 at $10.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
6th of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr5	Shawn Johnston	1:53.40	1:53.40	14.3m	$11	6	FM6000CLM	$8,026	-	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
2nd of 8	27/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr5	Shawn Johnston	1:54.30	1:54.30	3.0m	$10	7	FM6000CLM	$8,052	$2,013	1. Allambie 2. Filthy McNasty 3. Lyons Addiction
4th of 8	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr2	Shawn Johnston	1:54.00	1:54.00	12.8m	$22	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$644	1. Ellasen 2. Dorothy's Legacy 3. Allambie
3rd of 7	13/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Shawn Johnston	1:56.00	1:56.00	12.0m	$8.50	14	SA6000FM	$8,052	$966	1. Allambie 2. Ellasen 3. Filthy McNasty
3rd of 8	30/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Shawn Johnston	1:54.40	1:54.40	5.3m	$24	6	SA6000FM	$9,355	$1,123	1. Kb'ssweetcaroline 2. Allambie 3. Filthy McNasty
4th of 8	24/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Shawn Johnston	1:56.40	1:56.40	9.8m	$46	8	FM6000CLM	$9,355	$748	1. Allambie 2. Kb'ssweetcaroline 3. Silver Apache

Sea Storm (Fr8) 3545x63777
Trainer: Lester Mullet ()
Driver: Aaron Merriman
Prize Money: $54,319
Win / Place: 11% / 38%

5 yo Bay Mare

Sire: BETTOR'S DELIGHT (USA)

Dam: PREFERENCE

Rating

Stats

Career

36: 4-5-5

Distance

36: 4-5-5

Trk/Dst

27: 3-3-3

Track

27: 3-3-3

Season

5: 0-0-1

1st Up

2: 1-0-0

2nd Up

2: 0-0-2

3rd Up

2: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

36: 4-5-5

All-Weather

36: 4-5-5

Best Mile

1:53.00

Comments

Didn't do much at the last run, 7th (Fr2) over 1609m at this track beaten 25 m by Ellasen (1:54.00) in FM8000CLHC on March 5 at $72.60. Before that 7th (Fr4) over 1609m at this track beaten 20 m by Undeterred (1:54.10) in FM8000CLHC on February 26 at $54.40.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
7th of 7	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr2	Jeremy Indof	1:54.00	1:54.00	27.0m	$73	7	FM8000CLHC	$12,841	-	1. Ellasen 2. True Seelster 3. Undeterred
7th of 8	26/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Shawn Johnston	1:54.10	1:54.10	20.3m	$54	6	FM8000CLHC	$12,882	-	1. Undeterred 2. Ellasen 3. Pembroke Ali
7th of 7	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr7	Shawn Johnston	1:56.00	1:56.00	60.8m	$44	14	SA8000FM	$11,272	-	1. Always B Mimi 2. Knives Out 3. Pembroke Ali
3rd of 7	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr2	Shawn Johnston	1:53.40	1:53.40	43.5m	$57	13	SA8000FM	$11,272	$1,353	1. Go Tell Murph 2. True Seelster 3. Sea Storm
6th of 6	24/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr2	Shawn Johnston	1:56.30	1:56.30	27.0m	$32	64	FM8000CLM	$13,710	-	1. Miss Cadet 2. True Seelster 3. Ellasen
64 Day Spell
7th of 7	14/1/25	The Meadows	1609m			-	Shawn Johnston	1:57.00	1:57.00	21m	$0.00	-	Trial	$0	-	1. Real Surreal 2. Red Righthand Man 3. Boom Boom Bullseye

Gd Cool Otoole (Fr9) 5667646555
Trainer: Lester Mullet ()
Driver: Brady Jenson
Prize Money: $75,906
Win / Place: 15% / 28%

4 yo Bay Filly

Sire: FREAKY FEET PETE

Dam: PLENTY OTOOLE

Rating

Stats

Career

39: 6-4-1

Distance

39: 6-4-1

Trk/Dst

37: 6-4-1

Track

37: 6-4-1

Season

10: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-0-0

2nd Up

2: 1-0-0

3rd Up

2: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

39: 6-4-1

All-Weather

39: 6-4-1

Best Mile

1:53.40

Comments

Last start 5th (Fr8) over 1609m at this track, beaten 13 m by Allambie (1:53.40) in FM6000CLM on March 5 at $108.60. At the run before 5th (Fr1) over 1609m at this track, beaten 9 m by Allambie (1:54.30) in FM6000CLM on February 27 at $22.50.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
5th of 8	5/3/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr8	Brady Jenson	1:53.40	1:53.40	13.5m	$109	6	FM6000CLM	$8,026	$401	1. Allambie 2. Tobins Diva 3. Pootie Cat
5th of 8	27/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr1	Brady Jenson	1:54.30	1:54.30	9.8m	$23	7	FM6000CLM	$8,052	$403	1. Allambie 2. Filthy McNasty 3. Lyons Addiction
5th of 8	20/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Brady Jenson	1:54.00	1:54.00	15.0m	$50	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$403	1. Ellasen 2. Dorothy's Legacy 3. Allambie
6th of 7	13/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr6	Brady Jenson	1:56.00	1:56.00	19.5m	$33	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	-	1. Allambie 2. Ellasen 3. Filthy McNasty
4th of 8	6/2/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr4	Brady Jenson	1:55.00	1:55.00	21.0m	$16	7	SA6000FM	$8,052	$644	1. Tobins Diva 2. Ellasen 3. Allambie
6th of 8	30/1/25	The Meadows	1609m		All Weather	Fr3	Justin Walters	1:54.40	1:54.40	10.5m	$22	6	SA6000FM	$9,355	-	1. Kb'ssweetcaroline 2. Allambie 3. Filthy McNasty

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