Western Fair Raceway Race 11

Race 11

Prize Money: $5,453

DAKOTA SENA (9) is in good form with top-five finishes at his last five starts, most recently recording a second over 1609m at this track. Must overcome a very wide draw. Tackles a similar assignment and he can get the job done. THATMOMENTINLIFE (6) finished fourth last start over 1609m at Flamboro Downs, beaten 6 metres. Best recent result was a win at this track three starts ago over 1609m. Finds a suitable assignment and can find winning form. JIMSUN (3) is a great chance after a string of sound recent performances, the latest a solid third at this track over 1609m. Hard to find fault. CARSON STAR CHOICE (4) is in the mix after turning in a better effort last start to finish second at this track over 1609m.

Distance: 1609m
Track: Good
Weather: -
Surface: All Weather
Class: -

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Dm Snakeplissken () 5422542521
Trainer: M Winacott ()
Driver: M MacDonell
Prize Money: $67,887
Win / Place: 15% / 38%

6 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: BETTERTHANCHEDDAR (USA)

Dam: ITSALLABOUTHEBASS

Rating

Stats

Career

57: 9-10-3

Distance

57: 9-10-3

Trk/Dst

5: 1-2-0

Track

5: 1-2-0

Season

35: 4-5-1

1st Up

2: 0-1-1

2nd Up

2: 0-1-0

3rd Up

2: 1-1-0

Non-Metro

57: 9-10-3

All-Weather

57: 9-10-3

Best Mile

1:53.10

Comments

Racing consistently. Last start won home strongly from last on the turn and won by a 0.3 m at this track (1:59.40) beating Carson Star Choice in G on November 24 at $18.65 at the bell was 8th-.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
1st of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	M MacDonell	1:59.40	-	0.3m	$19	13	-	$5,234	$2,617	1. Dm Snakeplissken 2. Carson Star Choice 3. Little Manny
2nd of 8	11/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	M MacDonell	1:59.30	-	0.8m	$14	7	-	$5,453	$1,363	1. Jimsun 2. Dm Snakeplissken 3. Yourtheone
5th of 8	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	2	M MacDonell	1:58.30	-	6.0m	$4.35	14	-	$5,453	$273	1. Jimsun 2. Dark Moves 3. Go Nine O
2nd of 7	21/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	M MacDonell	1:59.10	-	3.8m	$8.65	15	-	$5,453	$1,363	1. Modern Writer 2. Dm Snakeplissken 3. Brodys Scrapper
4th of 8	6/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	M MacDonell	1:57.20	-	10.8m	$20	10	-	$5,562	$445	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Modern Writer 3. Odds On Kickoff
5th of 8	26/9/25	Grand River Raceway	1609m		All Weather	4	J Hunt	1:54.30	-	8.0m	$4.90	6	-	$6,340	$317	1. Mach Impact 2. Happy Neighs 3. Purrfectly Blue

Favaro Seelster () 2246591968
Trainer: D Laver ()
Driver: R Doyle
Prize Money: $143,360
Win / Place: 23% / 50%

Track / Distance Specialist

7 yo Brown Gelding

Sire: CONTROL THE MOMENT (USA)

Dam: FLOWER BOMB

Rating

Stats

Career

124: 29-20-14

Distance

124: 29-20-14

Trk/Dst

44: 20-7-3

Track

44: 20-7-3

Season

38: 10-7-1

1st Up

3: 0-0-2

2nd Up

3: 0-1-0

3rd Up

3: 1-1-0

Metro

24: 2-3-3

Non-Metro

100: 27-17-11

All-Weather

124: 29-20-14

Best Mile

1:55.00

Comments

Last start 8th over 1609m at Flamboro Downs was 8th- at the bell, beaten 13 m by Music To My Gears (1:56.00) in G on November 19 at $63.60. Two runs back 6th over 1609m at Flamboro Downs, at the bell was 6th- beaten 7 m by Woodmere Denver (1:55.10) in G on November 13 at $61.65.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
8th of 8	19/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	8	S Coulter	1:56.00	-	13.3m	$64	6	-	$6,543	-	1. Music To My Gears 2. Livin Large 3. Hestonator
6th of 7	13/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	9	D MacLellan	1:55.10	-	7.8m	$62	7	-	$5,453	-	1. Woodmere Denver 2. Silver Beast 3. Hes Got Swagger
9th of 9	6/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	4	D Thiessen	1:55.10	-	18.0m	$7.60	22	-	$5,453	-	1. Woodmere Denver 2. E L Lonely Charlie 3. Hestonator
1st of 7	15/10/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	3	D Thiessen	1:57.40	-	0.2m	$5.95	13	-	$4,362	$2,181	1. Favaro Seelster 2. Outlaw Duke Worthy 3. Benjamin Bee
9th of 9	2/10/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	1	G Rooney	1:56.30	-	26.0m	$12	7	-	$5,006	-	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Yourtheone 3. Some Might Say
5th of 9	25/9/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	8	G Rooney	1:57.30	-	11.0m	$14	7	-	$5,006	$250	1. Silken Sweet 2. The Cheeky Bugger 3. Lucky Dancer

Jimsun () 4727114113
Trainer: J Sherman ()
Driver: L House
Prize Money: $67,275
Win / Place: 22% / 60%

4 yo Brown Horse

Sire: BIG JIM (USA)

Dam: STONEBRIDGE SUNTAN

Rating

Stats

Career

58: 13-13-9

Distance

58: 13-13-9

Trk/Dst

30: 9-5-9

Track

30: 9-5-9

Season

34: 6-8-7

1st Up

2: 1-1-0

2nd Up

2: 0-2-0

3rd Up

2: 1-0-0

Non-Metro

58: 13-13-9

All-Weather

58: 13-13-9

Best Mile

1:56.30

Comments

Last start solid effort when 3rd over 1609m at this track, at the bell was 2nd- beaten 4 m by No Plan Intended (1:57.20) in G on November 24 at $9.15. Two runs back won by a 0.8 m as favourite at this track (1:59.30) beating Dm Snakeplissken in G on November 11 at $2.30 at the bell was leading.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
3rd of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	2	L House	1:57.20	-	3.8m	$9.15	13	-	$5,453	$654	1. No Plan Intended 2. Dakota Sena 3. Jimsun
1st of 8	11/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	2	L House	1:59.30	-	0.8m	$2.30f	7	-	$5,453	$2,726	1. Jimsun 2. Dm Snakeplissken 3. Yourtheone
1st of 8	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	R Doyle	1:58.30	-	1.5m	$9.40	11	-	$5,453	$2,726	1. Jimsun 2. Dark Moves 3. Go Nine O
4th of 8	24/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	L House	1:57.10	-	5.8m	$14	10	-	$5,453	$436	1. Happy Neighs 2. Silver Beast 3. Jafar Du Lac
1st of 8	14/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	L House	1:59.30	-	0.5m	$4.90	8	-	$5,453	$2,726	1. Jimsun 2. Olaf Du Lac 3. St Lads Mischief
1st of 8	6/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	5	L House	1:58.00	-	0.8m	$15	15	-	$4,449	$2,225	1. Jimsun 2. Mr Mach Jimmy 3. Thatll Be Tiger

Carson Star Choice () 1669482192
Trainer: C McQueen ()
Driver: G Rooney
Prize Money: $112,414
Win / Place: 22% / 51%

6 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: BETTERTHANCHEDDAR (USA)

Dam: CARSONS LADYLUCK

Rating

Stats

Career

88: 20-15-10

Distance

88: 20-15-10

Trk/Dst

19: 3-3-3

Track

19: 3-3-3

Season

24: 7-4-1

1st Up

2: 0-1-0

2nd Up

2: 0-1-0

3rd Up

2: 0-1-0

Non-Metro

88: 20-15-10

All-Weather

88: 20-15-10

Best Mile

1:53.00

Comments

Improved last start with a game effort when 2nd over 1609m at this track was 3rd- at the bell, beaten a 0.3 m by Dm Snakeplissken (1:59.40) in G on November 24 at $3.30.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
2nd of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	1	G Rooney	1:59.40	-	0.3m	$3.30	12	-	$5,234	$1,309	1. Dm Snakeplissken 2. Carson Star Choice 3. Little Manny
9th of 9	12/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	1	A Sorrie	1:57.30	-	30.0m	$1.00	5	-	$4,362	-	1. Some Might Say 2. The Dark Panther 3. Adriatico Hanover
1st of 8	7/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	A Sorrie	1:59.00	-	0.5m	$1.60f	12	-	$4,362	$2,181	1. Carson Star Choice 2. Aladdin Du Lac 3. Jetset Charmer
2nd of 8	26/10/25	Hippodrome 3R	1609m		All Weather	5	Da St Pierre	1:58.30	-	2.8m	$2.45	7	-	$2,399	$600	1. Ashleysbest 2. Carson Star Choice 3. Troublewiththecurv
8th of 8	19/10/25	Hippodrome 3R	1609m		All Weather	5	Da St Pierre	1:56.00	-	12.5m	$10	14	-	$3,817	-	1. Artsalive 2. American Zestar 3. Sports Bettor
4th of 9	5/10/25	Hippodrome 3R	1609m		All Weather	4	Da St Pierre	1:57.40	-	1.8m	$28	7	-	$3,893	$311	1. Southwind Leo 2. American Zestar 3. Forever Fav

Ididitmyshui () 3311355331
Trainer: Ra Bourassa ()
Driver: D MacLellan
Prize Money: $50,900
Win / Place: 15% / 54%

4 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: PANG SHUI

Dam: STAYOUTOFMYAFFAIR

100

Rating

Stats

Career

53: 8-7-14

Distance

53: 8-7-14

Trk/Dst

16: 2-4-3

Track

16: 2-4-3

Season

29: 3-5-10

1st Up

1: 0-0-0

2nd Up

1: 0-1-0

3rd Up

1: 0-1-0

Non-Metro

53: 8-7-14

All-Weather

53: 8-7-14

Best Mile

1:55.20

Comments

Racing in great heart. Last start won by a 0.5 m as favourite at this track (1:59.20) beating Odds On Kickoff in G on November 18 at $1.75 at the bell was 2nd-.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
1st of 8	18/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	5	A Sorrie	1:59.20	-	0.5m	$1.75f	8	-	$5,234	$2,617	1. Ididitmyshui 2. Odds On Kickoff 3. Jitterbug Flip
3rd of 7	10/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	A Sorrie	1:59.20	-	1.8m	$11	19	-	$5,453	$654	1. Mickeymaksomespeed 2. Modern Writer 3. Ididitmyshui
3rd of 9	22/10/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	2	E Hensley	1:55.30	-	3.0m	$12	8	-	$5,453	$654	1. Thatswhatisaid 2. Carsons Shadow 3. Ididitmyshui
5th of 8	14/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	5	A Sorrie	1:59.30	-	2.0m	$8.80	21	-	$5,453	$273	1. Jimsun 2. Olaf Du Lac 3. St Lads Mischief
5th of 9	23/9/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	9	Sa Fillion	1:57.10	-	4.8m	$5.75	9	-	$5,562	$278	1. Carsons Shadow 2. Papiamento 3. Dusty Lane Morgan
3rd of 6	14/9/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	2	E Hensley	1:54.40	-	1.3m	$15	7	-	$5,562	$667	1. Carsons Shadow 2. Phone Nine One One 3. Ididitmyshui

Thatmomentinlife () 34x1135164
Trainer: G Demers ()
Driver: A Sorrie
Prize Money: $94,411
Win / Place: 15% / 43%

7 yo Brown Gelding

Sire: CONTROL THE MOMENT (USA)

Dam: ARTIMITTATESLIFE

Rating

Stats

Career

72: 11-11-9

Distance

72: 11-11-9

Trk/Dst

3: 2-0-1

Track

3: 2-0-1

Season

20: 3-2-5

1st Up

3: 1-1-0

2nd Up

3: 1-0-1

3rd Up

3: 0-1-1

Non-Metro

72: 11-11-9

All-Weather

72: 11-11-9

Best Mile

1:56.00

Comments

Last start 4th over 1609m at Flamboro Downs was 4th- at the bell, beaten 6 m by Thatswhatisaid (1:56.30) in G on November 20 at $17.50. Before that, 6th over 1609m at Flamboro Downs, at the bell was 6th- beaten 5 m by Music To My Gears (1:55.30) in G on November 12 at $7.55.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
4th of 8	20/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	7	A Sorrie	1:56.30	-	6.0m	$18	8	-	$6,543	$523	1. Thatswhatisaid 2. Unison 3. Papiamento
6th of 7	12/11/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	6	A Sorrie	1:55.30	-	5.0m	$7.55	8	-	$5,453	-	1. Music To My Gears 2. Hestonator 3. Bettor's Victory
1st of 8	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	A Sorrie	1:56.40	-	3.8m	$1.80f	6	-	$5,453	$2,726	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Hes Got Swagger 3. Silver Beast
5th of 9	29/10/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	3	S Coulter	1:55.40	-	3.8m	$21	9	HCP	$7,634	$382	1. Full Credit 2. Lets Get Pickled 3. Mach Steady
3rd of 6	20/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	A Sorrie	1:58.20	-	3.3m	$7.70	14	-	$5,998	$720	1. No Plan Intended 2. Id Imagine 3. Thatmomentinlife
1st of 8	6/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	A Sorrie	1:57.20	-	2.3m	$2.25	4	-	$5,562	$2,781	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Modern Writer 3. Odds On Kickoff

Mr Mach Jimmy () 6866217145
Trainer: L Kerr ()
Driver: Sa Fillion
Prize Money: $41,169
Win / Place: 17% / 44%

12 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: MACH THREE (CAN)

Dam: ROSEBUD STENA

Rating

Stats

Career

47: 8-7-6

Distance

47: 8-7-6

Trk/Dst

23: 4-2-5

Track

23: 4-2-5

Season

19: 3-5-1

1st Up

3: 1-0-0

2nd Up

3: 1-1-0

3rd Up

3: 0-0-1

Non-Metro

47: 8-7-6

All-Weather

47: 8-7-6

Best Mile

1:54.30

Comments

Last start 5th over 1609m at this track, at the bell was 5th- beaten 8 m by No Plan Intended (1:57.20) in G on November 24 at $7.10. Two runs back 4th over 1609m at this track, at the bell was 4th- beaten 3 m by Mickeymaksomespeed (1:58.40) in G on November 17 at $10.75.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
5th of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	P MacKenzie	1:57.20	-	8.5m	$7.10	7	-	$5,453	$273	1. No Plan Intended 2. Dakota Sena 3. Jimsun
4th of 8	17/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	P MacKenzie	1:58.40	-	3.3m	$11	7	-	$5,453	$436	1. Mickeymaksomespeed 2. Modern Writer 3. Dakota Sena
1st of 7	10/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	4	P MacKenzie	2:00.10	-	7.0m	$3.20	6	-	$5,453	$2,726	1. Mr Mach Jimmy 2. Texasdrifter 3. Jitterbug Flip
7th of 7	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	L House	1:56.30	-	11.5m	$15	11	-	$5,453	-	1. Music To My Gears 2. Olaf Du Lac 3. Texasdrifter
1st of 8	24/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	5	D Thiessen	1:57.30	-	1.8m	$1.60f	18	-	$4,362	$2,181	1. Mr Mach Jimmy 2. Street Art 3. Sports Section
2nd of 8	6/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	D Thiessen	1:58.00	-	0.8m	$3.70	16	-	$4,449	$1,112	1. Jimsun 2. Mr Mach Jimmy 3. Thatll Be Tiger

Fear The Dice () 1184651642
Trainer: P Brickman ()
Driver: P MacKenzie
Prize Money: $102,900
Win / Place: 21% / 51%

6 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: FEAR THE DRAGON (USA)

Dam: DELIGHTED AGAIN

Rating

Stats

Career

95: 20-21-8

Distance

95: 20-21-8

Trk/Dst

11: 0-1-0

Track

11: 0-1-0

Season

21: 5-3-2

1st Up

3: 0-1-1

2nd Up

3: 1-1-0

3rd Up

3: 2-1-0

Non-Metro

95: 20-21-8

All-Weather

95: 20-21-8

Best Mile

1:54.10

Comments

Last start 2nd over 1609m at this track, at the bell was leading beaten 1.75 m by Dark Moves (2:00.30) in G on November 24 at $3.15. Two runs back 4th over 1609m at this track was 3rd- at the bell, beaten 5 m by Jimsun (1:59.30) in G on November 11 at $21.65.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
2nd of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	P MacKenzie	2:00.30	-	1.8m	$3.15f	13	-	$5,234	$1,309	1. Dark Moves 2. Fear The Dice 3. Big Mach N
4th of 8	11/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	4	P MacKenzie	1:59.30	-	5.0m	$22	7	-	$5,453	$436	1. Jimsun 2. Dm Snakeplissken 3. Yourtheone
6th of 8	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	P MacKenzie	1:58.30	-	7.5m	$25	13	-	$5,453	-	1. Jimsun 2. Dark Moves 3. Go Nine O
1st of 9	22/10/25	Flamboro Downs	1609m		All Weather	1	P MacKenzie	1:58.20	-	4.0m	$1.50f	12	-	$4,362	$2,181	1. Fear The Dice 2. Big Honor 3. Darrell
5th of 8	10/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	7	P MacKenzie	1:58.40	-	5.0m	$39	7	-	$5,453	$273	1. Stickeminlethimgo 2. Texasdrifter 3. Opulent Dragon
6th of 8	3/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	P MacKenzie	1:58.10	-	4.5m	$10	19	-	$5,562	-	1. Stickeminlethimgo 2. St Lads Mischief 3. Shanghai Ky

Dakota Sena () 4332822532
Trainer: D Kerr ()
Driver: N Steward
Prize Money: $54,574
Win / Place: 8.96% / 46%

Nearing Another Win

7 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: WINDFALL BLUE CHIP

Dam: ROSSRIDGE TRISTAR

Rating

Stats

Career

67: 6-16-9

Distance

67: 6-16-9

Trk/Dst

20: 0-5-2

Track

20: 0-5-2

Season

41: 2-11-6

1st Up

1: 0-0-0

2nd Up

1: 0-1-0

3rd Up

1: 0-1-0

Non-Metro

67: 6-16-9

All-Weather

67: 6-16-9

Best Mile

1:56.30

Comments

Solid run when beaten by 1.75 m finishing third behind Mickeymaksomespeed at this track over 1609m in a G on November 17 at $23.30. Then a handy effort when beaten by 2.75 m finishing second behind No Plan Intended at this track over 1609m in a G on November 24 at $18.45.

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Start	Surface	Barrier	Driver	Race Time	Mile Rate	Margin	SP	Days	Class	Prize	Prize Won	Result
2nd of 8	24/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	N Steward	1:57.20	-	2.8m	$18	7	-	$5,453	$1,363	1. No Plan Intended 2. Dakota Sena 3. Jimsun
3rd of 8	17/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	N Steward	1:58.40	-	1.8m	$23	13	-	$5,453	$654	1. Mickeymaksomespeed 2. Modern Writer 3. Dakota Sena
5th of 8	4/11/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	8	N Steward	1:56.40	-	7.0m	$11	7	-	$5,453	$273	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Hes Got Swagger 3. Silver Beast
2nd of 8	28/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	3	N Steward	1:57.00	-	1.8m	$5.10	11	-	$5,453	$1,363	1. Music To My Gears 2. Dakota Sena 3. Dark Moves
2nd of 8	17/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	5	M Sutherland	1:59.30	-	1.8m	$70	11	-	$6,543	$1,636	1. Music To My Gears 2. Dakota Sena 3. Silver Beast
8th of 8	6/10/25	Western Fair Raceway	1609m		All Weather	6	S Wray	1:57.20	-	14.3m	$41	16	-	$5,562	-	1. Thatmomentinlife 2. Modern Writer 3. Odds On Kickoff

Race Review Abbreviations

Brk: Broke, Blkd: Blocked or held up, 1 x 1: One-out, one-back, Prkd: Parked, 3bk otr: 3 back on the outer, 3bk inr: Same as above, but on the inside, trld: Trailed, Gt spd: Showed gate speed, 3wd: 3-wide postd: Caught wide without cover, Held up: Held up, no gaps or few gaps: If they don't see any clear air in the straight, Inr-mid-wd -position: On the inside, mid = 1-off, wd = 3-wide or wider, flew hm wd: Flew home wide, dashd inr: Sprinted well on the inside, Chkd: Checked, Slow: Slow away at the start, Wltd: Wilted or got tired, Fdd: Faded late, Urgd: If the driver's getting stuck in

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