Los Alamitos Qh Race 5

Claiming

Prize Money: $18,459

PRINCESS MAGIC (5) Was well beaten when 4th last run at this venue. Looking for an improved run. Should muster plenty of early toe. Definite claims. PROCEEDTOTHEROUTE (7) Racing fresh after a break. Mediocre attempt when 6th last run here. First start for a new trainer. Has a great burst of speed late. Must respect. VALERIE (2) Went to the front and never looked back when winning by a margin of 3L last time around here and drawn nicely. Should jump out and bowl along. Contender in this event. SWEET ELLA RAE (6) Ran on strongly when 3rd beaten by 5 1/2L last time here. Amongst the placegetters on multiple occasions this preparation. One of the main dangers.

Distance: 914m
Track: Good
Weather: -
Surface: Dirt
Class: CLM

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Lady Wolf (1) x657227646
Trainer: Marcia Stortz ()
Jockey: Francisco Ramirez
Weight: 57kg
Prize Money: $54,138
Win / Place: 5.88% / 23%

5 yo Bay Mare

Sire: CITY WOLF (USA)

Dam: SHAROANA (USA)

Dam's Sire: Lord Carson

Rating

Stats

Career

17: 1-3-0

Distance

3: 0-0-0

Trk/Dst

3: 0-0-0

Track

3: 0-0-0

Season

1: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 1-0-0

2nd Up

3: 0-0-0

3rd Up

2: 0-1-0

4th Up

2: 0-1-0

Metro

1: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

16: 1-3-0

Synthetic

3: 0-1-0

Dirt

14: 1-2-0

Anti-Clockwise

17: 1-3-0

Jockey Stats

Horse

0: 0-0-0

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

914m - 1106m

Comments

Most recently ran last in a small field at this track on February 15 over 914m, 6 len behind Jewelofakid carrying 57kg at $15.40. The race before that 4th in a small field at this track on December 21 over 914m, 3.5 len behind Maggie's Faye carrying 57kg at $5.80.

Expected Settling Position: Midfield

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
6th of 6	15/2/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW FM 3U	2	Fernandez Eduard Kennis Rojas	57kg	Fast	0:53.89	61.1 km/h	5.9L	5-5	$15	56	$22,544	$483	1. Jewelofakid 2. Smiling Amy 3. Betting Fever
56 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 6	21/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	2	Erick G Garcia	57kg	Fast	0:54.65	60.2 km/h	3.5L	5-3	$5.80	15	$16,949	$1,217	1. Maggie's Faye 2. Princess Magic 3. Rippin A Way
6th of 8	6/12/24	Pleasanton	1006m	CLM FM 3U	6	Cristobal Herrera	56.5kg	Fast	0:58.18	62.2 km/h	5.9L	5-5	$17	40	$20,031	$693	1. Happy Chappy 2. Tabata 3. Stylish Dress
40 Day Freshen-Up
7th of 9	27/10/24	Pleasanton	1106m	CLM FM 3U	7	Manuel Americano	54.5kg	Fast	1:05.79	60.5 km/h	9.5L	1-6	$9.50	15	$17,341	$650	1. Patsy Montana 2. Topper's Chieftess 3. Stylish Dress
2nd of 7	12/10/24	Fresno	1106m	CLM FM 3U	1	Manuel Americano	54.5kg	Fast	1:06.08	60.3 km/h	0.5L	1-1	$5.80	35	$16,618	$3,324	1. Fly South 2. Lady Wolf 3. Patsy Montana
35 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 6	7/9/24	Ferndale	1006m	CLM FM 3U	6	Francisco Monroy	57kg	Fast	1:02.75	57.7 km/h	6.3L	3-2	$3.80	27	$11,029	$2,206	1. Standforgrit 2. Lady Wolf 3. Golden Pinup

Valerie (2) 68x33x3541
Trainer: Ivan Perez Becerra (USA)
Jockey: Leonel Camacho-Flores
Weight: 57kg
Prize Money: $58,824
Win / Place: 3.13% / 43%

5 yo Chestnut Mare

Sire: GRAZEN (USA)

Dam: SHARE THE SUGAR (USA)

Dam's Sire: Heatseeker

100

Rating

Stats

Career

32: 1-4-9

Distance

2: 1-0-0

Trk/Dst

2: 1-0-0

Track

2: 1-0-0

Season

2: 1-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-0-2

2nd Up

3: 0-1-1

3rd Up

2: 0-0-0

4th Up

2: 1-0-0

Non-Metro

32: 1-4-9

Synthetic

19: 0-2-4

Dirt

10: 1-1-4

Fast

3: 0-1-1

Firm

3: 0-1-0

Anti-Clockwise

32: 1-4-9

Jockey Stats

Horse

0: 0-0-0

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1207m

Comments

Form hard to fault. Comes here off a 36-day let-up. Most recently favourite; won by 3 len at this track February 1 over 905m defeating Intense Moment carrying 56.5kg at $1.60. The start before that 4th of 7 at this track on January 19 over 914m, 1.5 len behind Automax with 57kg at $18.90.

Expected Settling Position: Leader

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
1st of 7	1/2/25	Los Alamitos Qh	905m	MDN CLM FM 3	7	Cesar Ortega	56.5kg	Fast	0:53.32	61.1 km/h	3.0L	2-1	$1.60f	13	$15,323	$7,548	1. Valerie 2. Intense Moment 3. Retina Vibrating
4th of 7	19/1/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN FM 3U	3	Cesar Ortega	57kg	Fast	0:54.60	60.3 km/h	1.6L	1-2	$19	44	$27,419	$2,089	1. Automax 2. It Is Written 3. Intense Moment
44 Day Freshen-Up
5th of 8	6/12/24	Pleasanton	1006m	MDN CLM FM 3	3	Pablo Flores	56.5kg	Fast	0:58.55	61.9 km/h	5.3L	4-5	$47	21	$17,720	$693	1. Magic Wanderer 2. Kinky Moon 3. Iris Of Kingstown
3rd of 6	15/11/24	Pleasanton	1207m	MDN CLM FM 3	2	Pablo Flores	56.5kg	Fast	1:12.40	60.0 km/h	3.8L	4-4	$8.30	96	$18,265	$2,192	1. Tabata 2. Iris Of Kingstown 3. Valerie
96 Day Spell
3rd of 7	11/8/24	Santa Rosa	1106m	MDN CLM FM 3	4	Pablo Flores	56.5kg	Fast	1:04.50	61.7 km/h	8.0L	1-2	$16	16	$16,897	$2,028	1. Channel Of Love 2. Bet The Chalk 3. Valerie
3rd of 5	26/7/24	Sacramento	1207m	MDN CLM FM 3	2	Pablo Flores	56.5kg	Fast	1:13.29	59.3 km/h	8.0L	2-4	$3.00	69	$16,541	$1,985	1. Smilin Ruby 2. Azucar Canela 3. Valerie
69 Day Spell

Chilean Bride (3) 6196
Trainer: Felix L Gonzalez ()
Jockey: Henry Lopez
Weight: 56kg
Prize Money: $15,156
Win / Place: 25% / 25%

3 yo Chestnut Filly

Sire: DOSIFICADO (CHI)

Dam: FOREVER WIFE (USA)

Dam's Sire: Medaglia D'oro

Rating

Stats

Career

4: 1-0-0

Distance

2: 1-0-0

Trk/Dst

2: 1-0-0

Track

2: 1-0-0

Season

2: 0-0-0

1st Up

1: 0-0-0

2nd Up

1: 1-0-0

3rd Up

1: 0-0-0

4th Up

1: 0-0-0

Metro

2: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

2: 1-0-0

Dirt

4: 1-0-0

Anti-Clockwise

4: 1-0-0

Jockey Stats

Horse

3: 1-0-0

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

914m - 1106m

Comments

Comes off a 29 day let-up. Most recently ran last in a small field at this track on February 8 over 914m, 10 len behind Nostri Vires with 56kg at $26.70. The start before that ran last of 9 at Santa Anita on January 20 over 1106m, 30 len behind Knightwithlouis with 55kg at $59.20.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
6th of 6	8/2/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW F 3	3	Francisco J Ramirez	56kg	Fast	0:54.05	60.9 km/h	10.0L	5-6	$27	19	$24,155	$483	1. Nostri Vires 2. Thirsty In Vegas 3. Sweet Ella Rae
9th of 9	20/1/25	Santa Anita Park	1106m	CLM F 3	5	Henry Reynoso Lopez	55kg	Fast	1:05.97	60.4 km/h	30.3L	4-9	$59	23	$54,839	$806	1. Knightwithlouis 2. Liquid Spirit 3. Princess Daddy
1st of 7	28/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN F 2	4	Henry Reynoso Lopez	57kg	Fast	0:55.50	59.3 km/h	0.8L	1-1	$5.70	22	$24,653	$13,097	1. Chilean Bride 2. Jager Angel 3. Scoring Leap
6th of 7	6/12/24	Los Alamitos	1106m	MDN CLM F 2	1	Henry Reynoso Lopez	54.5kg	Fast	1:06.42	59.9 km/h	11.5L	7-6	$50	-	$37,750	$770	1. Liquid Spirit 2. Zoe's Candy 3. Expect Love

Gianis Girl (4) 5x457x3155
Trainer: Duff Shidaker ()
Jockey: Erick Garcia
Weight: 57kg
Prize Money: $15,611
Win / Place: 10% / 20%

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown Mare

Sire: STREET LIFE (USA)

Dam: GIANIS (USA)

Dam's Sire: Unusual Heat

Rating

Stats

Career

10: 1-0-1

Distance

9: 1-0-1

Trk/Dst

9: 1-0-1

Track

9: 1-0-1

Season

2: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-0-1

2nd Up

3: 1-0-0

3rd Up

3: 0-0-0

4th Up

1: 0-0-0

Metro

1: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

9: 1-0-1

Dirt

10: 1-0-1

Firm

2: 1-0-0

Anti-Clockwise

10: 1-0-1

Jockey Stats

Horse

2: 1-0-1

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1207m

Comments

Last start second last in a small field at this track on February 15 over 914m, 2.75 len behind Jewelofakid with 57kg at $31. The run before that ran last in a small field at this track on January 18 over 914m, 5 len behind Ebok's Dream Girl with 57kg at $22.60.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
5th of 6	15/2/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW FM 3U	5	Cesar Franco	57kg	Fast	0:53.89	61.1 km/h	2.9L	4-6	$31	28	$22,544	$564	1. Jewelofakid 2. Smiling Amy 3. Betting Fever
5th of 5	18/1/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW FM 3U	2	Cesar Franco	57kg	Fast	0:53.82	61.1 km/h	5.1L	4-5	$23	27	$22,581	$565	1. Ebok's Dream Girl 2. Nostri Vires 3. Smiling Amy
1st of 6	22/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	905m	MDN CLM FM 3	3	Erick G Garcia	56.5kg	Fast	0:52.20	62.4 km/h	2.5L	1-1	$5.00	21	$13,097	$6,641	1. Gianis Girl 2. Charlottes Delight 3. Intense Moment
3rd of 6	1/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN FM 3U	3	Erick G Garcia	57kg	Fast	0:54.08	60.8 km/h	4.5L	5-4	$25	77	$24,353	$3,015	1. Ebok's Dream Girl 2. Conquest Celsius 3. Gianis Girl
77 Day Spell
7th of 7	15/9/24	Los Alamitos	1207m	MDN CLM FM 3	6	B Harvey	57kg	Fast	1:09.85	62.2 km/h	40.0L	3-7	$59	29	$26,471	$735	1. Collectmythoughts 2. Seeking Quality 3. Jane Kendeigh
5th of 6	17/8/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN FM 3U	5	John Raul Valenzuela (Jnr)	59.5kg	Fast	0:54.73	60.1 km/h	6.0L	3-5	$35	20	$24,578	$676	1. Stay Zappy 2. Conquest Celsius 3. Greylight

Princess Magic (5) 71x7372424
Trainer: Sergio Morfin ()
Jockey: Edgar Payeras
Weight: 57kg
Prize Money: $36,471
Win / Place: 8.33% / 33%

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown Mare

Sire: GOOD MAGIC (USA)

Dam: EMERALD GOLD (USA)

Dam's Sire: War Front

Rating

Stats

Career

12: 1-2-1

Distance

5: 0-2-0

Trk/Dst

5: 0-2-0

Track

5: 0-2-0

Season

1: 0-0-0

1st Up

3: 0-0-0

2nd Up

3: 1-0-1

3rd Up

2: 0-0-0

4th Up

1: 0-1-0

Metro

7: 1-0-1

Non-Metro

5: 0-2-0

Good

1: 0-0-0

Dirt

10: 1-2-1

Fast

1: 0-0-0

Firm

2: 0-1-0

Anti-Clockwise

12: 1-2-1

Jockey Stats

Horse

3: 0-2-0

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1207m

Comments

Form hard to fault. Returns from a 57-day let-up. At the latest run ran last in a small field at this track on January 11 over 914m, 8 len behind Conquest Secret with 57kg at $2.70. The start before that 2nd in a small field at this track on December 21 over 914m, 0.5 len behind Maggie's Faye carrying 57kg at $3.60.

Expected Settling Position: Leader

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
4th of 4	11/1/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	4	Ricardo S Ramirez	57kg	Fast	0:53.89	61.1 km/h	8.3L	2-3	$2.70	21	$16,935	$1,274	1. Conquest Secret 2. River Of Ambition 3. Rippin A Way
2nd of 6	21/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	5	Edgar Payeras	57kg	Fast	0:54.65	60.2 km/h	0.5L	2-1	$3.60	21	$16,949	$3,698	1. Maggie's Faye 2. Princess Magic 3. Rippin A Way
4th of 7	30/11/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	6	Edgar Payeras	57kg	Fast	0:54.85	60.0 km/h	1.1L	2-1	$2.80f	20	$17,504	$1,225	1. Galway Shawl 2. Maggie's Faye 3. Borntostaythirsty
2nd of 5	10/11/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	1	Edgar Payeras	57kg	Fast	0:53.93	61.0 km/h	2.5L	1-1	$2.40	43	$16,743	$3,653	1. Falabella 2. Princess Magic 3. Maggie's Faye
43 Day Freshen-Up
7th of 7	28/9/24	Los Alamitos Qh	905m	CLM FM 3U	5	Abdullah M Alsagoor	56kg	Fast	0:52.61	61.9 km/h	16.1L	2-5	$3.10f	13	$15,441	$588	1. Tiz The Prospect 2. Miss Joannie 3. Kataleya
3rd of 6	15/9/24	Los Alamitos	1207m	CLM FM 3U	2	Armando Ayuso	57kg	Fast	1:11.15	61.1 km/h	5.8L	1-2	$5.10	16	$27,941	$3,353	1. Discrepancy 2. Respect The Crown 3. Princess Magic

Sweet Ella Rae (6) 556x524123
Trainer: Jose Jr Hernandez ()
Jockey: Efrain Hernandez
Weight: 56kg
Prize Money: $32,921
Win / Place: 11% / 44%

3 yo Bay Filly

Sire: CATALINA CRUISER (USA)

Dam: ANNA'S ANGEL (USA)

Dam's Sire: Bodemeister

Rating

Stats

Career

9: 1-2-1

Distance

6: 1-2-1

Trk/Dst

5: 1-2-1

Track

5: 1-2-1

Season

1: 0-0-1

1st Up

2: 0-0-0

2nd Up

2: 0-1-0

3rd Up

2: 0-0-0

4th Up

1: 1-0-0

Metro

4: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

5: 1-2-1

Dirt

9: 1-2-1

Firm

3: 0-1-0

Anti-Clockwise

9: 1-2-1

Jockey Stats

Horse

3: 1-1-1

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

914m - 1006m

Comments

Form hard to fault. Comes here off a 29-day let-up. Last start 3rd in a small field at this track on February 8 over 914m, 5.5 len behind Nostri Vires with 57kg at $22.50. The run before that 2nd in a small field at this track on December 14 over 914m, 4 len behind Promise Me Kat carrying 57kg at $15.50.

Expected Settling Position: Pace

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
3rd of 6	8/2/25	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW F 3	2	E Hernandez	57kg	Fast	0:54.05	60.9 km/h	5.5L	3-3	$23	56	$24,155	$2,960	1. Nostri Vires 2. Thirsty In Vegas 3. Sweet Ella Rae
56 Day Freshen-Up
2nd of 5	14/12/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	ALLOW 2	1	E Hernandez	57kg	Fast	0:54.25	60.7 km/h	4.1L	2-2	$16	27	$22,342	$5,026	1. Promise Me Kat 2. Sweet Ella Rae 3. You Better You Bet
1st of 9	17/11/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN 2	3	E Hernandez	57kg	Fast	0:54.99	59.8 km/h	1.0L	5-3	$7.00	21	$26,636	$14,061	1. Sweet Ella Rae 2. Strawberry Girl 3. It's Thirsty Time
4th of 7	27/10/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN 2	6	Edgar Payeras	56kg	Fast	0:54.74	60.1 km/h	4.3L	2-5	$3.40	21	$23,121	$1,590	1. Grey Power 2. Strawberry Girl 3. It's Thirsty Time
2nd of 5	6/10/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN F 2	2	Edgar Payeras	57kg	Fast	0:55.07	59.7 km/h	1.8L	1-2	$3.50	23	$21,676	$4,877	1. You Better You Bet 2. Sweet Ella Rae 3. Strawberry Girl
5th of 6	13/9/24	Los Alamitos	1006m	MDN CLM F 2	4	Cesar Ortega	54.5kg	Fast	0:59.40	61.0 km/h	14.0L	4-5	$12	70	$38,235	$765	1. Thirsty Destiny 2. Stanford Hottie 3. Pebbles B Awesome
70 Day Spell

Proceedtotheroute (7) 06416x
Trainer: Angela M Aquino ()
Jockey: Jose Alcala
Weight: 57kg
Prize Money: $9,961
Win / Place: 20% / 20%

4 yo Dark Bay/Brown Filly

Sire: TREASURE RIDE (USA)

Dam: SAUSALITA (IRE)

Dam's Sire: Forestry

Rating

Stats

Career

5: 1-0-0

Distance

3: 1-0-0

Trk/Dst

3: 1-0-0

Track

3: 1-0-0

1st Up

1: 0-0-0

2nd Up

1: 0-0-0

3rd Up

1: 0-0-0

4th Up

1: 1-0-0

Metro

2: 0-0-0

Non-Metro

3: 1-0-0

Dirt

5: 1-0-0

Firm

2: 0-0-0

Anti-Clockwise

5: 1-0-0

Jockey Stats

Horse

0: 0-0-0

Last 50

0: 0-0-0

Trainer

W 0% P 0%

Distance

W 0% P 0%

Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Track

W 0% P 0%

Trainer/Distance

W 0% P 0%

Distance Range Last 6 months

905m - 1207m

Comments

Resumes from a spell. Finished off last campaign second last of 7 at this track November 30 over 914m, 3.5 len behind Galway Shawl with 57kg at $6.20. On debut second last of 12 at Del Mar August 2 over 1106m, 18 len behind A Toast To Lanie carrying 54.5kg at $72.

Expected Settling Position: Off Pace

Last Starts days since last start

Place	Date	Track	Distance	Class	Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Cond.	Race Time	Avg. Speed	Margin	800/400	SP	Days	Prize	Prize Won	Result
6th of 7	30/11/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	CLM FM 3U	2	E Hernandez	57kg	Fast	0:54.85	60.0 km/h	3.6L	7-7	$6.20	20	$17,504	$457	1. Galway Shawl 2. Maggie's Faye 3. Borntostaythirsty
1st of 5	10/11/24	Los Alamitos Qh	905m	MDN CLM FM 3	1	E Hernandez	56.5kg	Fast	0:52.89	61.6 km/h	2.0L	1-1	$2.00f	35	$12,177	$6,484	1. Proceedtotheroute 2. Blue Cloud 3. Intense Moment
35 Day Freshen-Up
4th of 5	6/10/24	Los Alamitos Qh	914m	MDN FM 3U	2	E Hernandez	56.5kg	Fast	0:53.44	61.6 km/h	8.0L	4-4	$19	22	$20,231	$1,517	1. Pass The Woodford 2. Greylight 3. Haveeyesforyou
6th of 6	14/9/24	Los Alamitos	1207m	MDN CLM F 3	5	E Hernandez	56kg	Fast	1:11.35	60.9 km/h	23.8L	5-6	$66	43	$29,412	$735	1. Miracle Ball 2. Stormy Gal 3. In Without Knockin
43 Day Freshen-Up
11th of 12	2/8/24	Del Mar	1106m	MDN CLM FM 3	7	Armando Aguilar	54.5kg	Fast	1:05.07	61.2 km/h	18.4L	11-11	$72	-	$59,908	$768	1. A Toast To Lanie 2. Wishes To Riches 3. Tiz Lissett

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